Bumblebee Movie Dropkick Concept Art By Shane Baxley

Let's steer back on topic towards the concept art being shared.

BelnadesPistol

That's not an argument.

Good point, you still admitted which one is at least statistically more successful tho

I asked for another joke and you actually listened to me. Have a nice day.

it is an argument, the difference between 1-2 and 50-100 seems big but in reality this is still 50 percent difference

i never said that bayverse was unsuccessful, my initial analogy of fortnite was that just because something is popular/successful doesn't automatically indicate quality as a parallel to bayverse. your initial argument was that bayverse wasn't bad because it made money though you also added how long they remained relevant but not whether this was positive or negative.

DarkRed401

by total numbers bayverse did better but it seems per capita bee did rather solidly

That's not an argument.

DarkRed401

by success it can't be said bayverse is better but its important that popularity and quality while correlated are not exactly causation of one another

Good point, you still admitted which one is at least statistically more successful tho

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Considering my argument was revolved around the films that came after ROTF, my point still stands in regard to AOE and TLK. They at least tried making a good film with DOTM (despite its many flaws) so I won't count that. The Chinese pandering in AOE was clear as daylights and in TLK, we aware of the heavy promotion in China which eventually lead to the $100M loss of the film. Not even that, there's still a shitload of Chinese product placement in the film itself which you seemed to have ignored. Things such as Mengniu (a Chinese drink), a LeEco smartphone, the car porn website which I'm pretty sure was in Chinese, and I believe there was a Chinese car product placement. Yes, relevant as a laughing stock of how not to make a film franchise. Honestly, I couldn't tell if you were being serious with that statement. Has it though? It is well known to be one of the only good live-action Transformers films. Hell, when Travis Knight is mentioned in an article for his future live-action endeavors, Bumblebee is used quite frequently as his successful venture.

I asked for another joke and you actually listened to me. Have a nice day.

BelnadesPistol

It's not only money; the Bay films remained relevant months after they were released. Outside this site, Bumblebee has pretty much been tossed into the bargain bin.

That's a horrible analogy. Fortnite is free, and the game itself doesn't tell you to spend V-bucks. It's the people who play it that title free gamers "no-skins" or "Soccer skins"
Now, a better analogy would be MK11. While not rubbing its fanny on your cheek to spend money, it cranks up its extra modes to difficult, tedious, etc. and deludes you into spending a fortune so just you can get an augment lol

indeed i should have expanded on and used more than money in my example, you used relevancy as to how bayverse at least in popularity did more than bumblebee.

by total numbers bayverse did better but it seems per capita bee did rather solidly

by success it can't be said bayverse is better but its important that popularity and quality while correlated are not exactly causation of one another

making more money is a really dumb point for whether or not a movie is better, its more marketing than movie.

i see this get used a lot for marvel films in particular but either way if money is the primary indicator of quality than fortnite is objectively one of the best games of all time

BelnadesPistol

They all did better than Bumblebee in the box office

And the domestic gross has been declining ever since ROTF which should be give you a hint towards the success of the Bayverse, unless you find that pandering to the Chinese audience deserves a round of applause. You know, that's actually another thing I really like about Bumblebee: they were able to make a successful film without relying on pleasing the Chinese audience with product placement and whatnot—all doing so while carrying the baggage of terrible franchise sequels.

BelnadesPistol

They all did better than Bumblebee in the box office

Just the first four, as has been established many times.

octobotimus

bay is factually bad.

They all did better than Bumblebee in the box office

Digger

But it’s an alien robot. What part of that is believable at all? He looked about as the real as the fake planet he was standing on. Bumblebee was equally just as not real.

It worked for Prime because they had an actual idea that they cared about. It’s not the perfect way to do Soundwave. But they did it, and they cared about it.

If you just tried to make movie Soundwave look like Prime Soundwave nobody would care that much. Because he didn’t do the same Soundwave things that the one in Prime did. He did the “decepticons attack!” bit. And that was awesome. But that’s not something Prime Soundwave would do. So it’d just seem like a cheap reference.

Look I think it’s clear we have different interests in these films. But I just wanna be clear with mine. I think the new designs actually appreciate the characters of Transformers much more than the previous films. Which made their own stylish but substance lacking versions.

To me an robotic alien would need to look a certain way. The seekers and other cons didn't work for me.
When I think of a species of an advanced alien robots that transform, the tetra jets don't present that to me.

In my imagination I'd see something closer to this

The truth is Bumblebee is nothing more than a movie showing fans what they always wanted. A fun movie that doesn't distort the characters designs in any way. While also adhering to Bay fans.

Magnum Dongus

Can someone please point out to me the difference between the “““Cybertronian””” mode Optimus and his Earth form? He looks about as Cybertronian as some of the Siege alt modes (meaning not very).

If you ask me, cybertronian Optimus is more like this

And his earth mode would be this