New third party company SiYang Culture have updated their Weibo accounty with images of the first prototypes of their Legends scale G1 Trainboit Getsuei & Seizan.
These are new G1 Trainbots for the competitive Legends scale market. As we can see from the first images, these seem to be pretty detailed renditions of Getsuei in robot and train mode and Seizan in robot mode. For those wondering about the scale, we also have comparison shots next to other Legends scale toys.
We still have no concrete information about price or release date, but stay tuned with this space for more updates. See the mirrored images after the jump and then share your impressions on the 2005 Boards!
Swindlerfan
Something not always understood about panning shots is they often are distorted to give the illusion of movement as the camera goes up. Doubleclouder is also different than Doubledealer.
Swindlerfan
I think some confusing over MPG Raiden's style is because the Headmaster's character designs were more detailed and kept more realistic vehicle modes than in the previous US only shows. The most overriding design conceit for them is attempting to recreate the relative size between the real trains and hit HO scale as best they can. G1 Raiden had all the trains the same size and length and this Legends version may do the same.
Curium
I don't really, but the conversation is about what size Trainbots should be for CHUG. I guess they could be a cm or 2 shorter than the MPGs, but I feel deluxe size trainbots would be far too small. I've never watched Headmasters, I tried and just couldn't stomach it, but that was back before I had discovered anime (80s cartoons made for the US like Voltron were not the same thing) so I may do better now but haven't sat down to try.
Why would you ask that, clearly a combiner is the same size as say Onslaught or Silverbolt.
David Hingtgen
You mean Double Dealer ISN'T utterly ginormous?
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(yeah yeah, Masterforce not Headmasters, but same point—Jp G1 is just as crazy with scale as the original 3 seasons, if not worse)
Purple Heart
I honestly don’t know why anyone would take scale in Headmasters any more seriously then in in the original G1 cartoon. It’s just as much of a mess, perhaps even more.
Curium
See with the way you are describing that rather than saying Sixshot's size change I would simply say that the Headmasters like Chromedome were Magnus size (for disclosure I've never actually seen them next to Magnus). How big Fortress and Brainstorm are next to Kup would suggest that as well.
Purple Heart
Size was all over the place in that anime. In some scenes, Sixshot is the same size as Ultra Magnus, in others, he is the same size as Chromedome, who also would vary in size depending on the scene.
Most characters in Headmasters would just be drawn as the same height as whatever character they were next to, the reason people think the Trainbots were so small was because of a few scenes where they were around humans and drawn as just a few meters tall. But in other shots, they are the same size of as Autobots/Decepticons and they towered over humans.
Curium
The Headmaster's are quite big. In Headmasters where the Trainbots actually appeared the Headmasters were more comparable to say Sixshot than a regular Autobot like Kup. I don't remember for certain, but I think Sixshot has always been depicted as taller than Optimus.
Hobart Paving
I'd imagine the combined mode height is the most important factor for most collectors, though. And I personally think the design style has a lot more in common with recent CHUG toys than it does recent Masterpiece toys…
JJJ
Okay, so not quite so tall as I recalled.
But they are supposed to be (according to their cartoon depiction) the same size as a regular Autobot from the series that they appear in, such as Chromedome (I'm thinking specifically of when Shouki and Chromedome shake hands to end their feud in Terror Of The Six Shadows). Not taller than Optimus Prime. "CHUG" operates by a more-or-less standard relative scale these days, and they don't fit it.
Throway
Fumbled the bag immediately with that ridiculous optimus height
Curium
Seeing @Purple Heart 's pictures (thank you) I would say that is within the range that qualifies for Voyager. At least within the same margin of range they give for deluxes these days adding in minibots to that size class.
Gee Won 1984
It's chug sized. It's just Fancy Chug.
Takara sizes great with Chug. They are trains.
Purple Heart
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JJJ
No, they are significantly taller than your average voyager or leader class toy. There are pictures out there giving the comparison, and they are head and shoulders taller than, for example, Earthrise Optimus Prime. That makes them giants to me (just think how you would classify a person that was that much taller than someone we already consider taller than average).
Curium
I haven't bought any MPGs, but if I recall correctly aren't they only about the size of MP carbots, that is basically Voyager size. Not exactly "giants". I've never seen a comparison, but that sounds like they are close to the same size as the CW/UW Constructicons to me.
JJJ
I do know how large they are, and I don't care about model scale representation of the alt mode. All of these MPGs are much taller in bot mode than they should be if they are, as alleged, "CHUG". As shown on screen, they are normal sized transformers, not giants. Yes, this is because of mass-shifting, and yes, this cannot be reproduced as a toy. This is old hat in transformers by now.
They do not fit a "CHUG" collection, not in size, not in looks, and not in design style. They are not "CHUG".
metaphorge
You know, I never noticed that Heinrad had such huge cajones before; I think you might have sold me one.
I've already been using the MPG Trainbots as my "Legends Trainbots" for this reason; I guess these are Trainbots for my [strike]Micromasters[/strike] [strike]World's Smallest Transformers[/strike] Whatever-the-Heck-We're-Calling-Transformers-that-Small-Now.
G.I.EDDIE
Ironically, they'd actually be in *scale* with legends if they did.
Purple Heart
The MPG Trainbots are actually 1:87 scale. Most Legends figures tend to be around 1:60 scale, so that actually makes them Legends scale.
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Do you have any idea how large trains are? In train mode, Shouki would be longer then ER Optimus at Generations scale. The Trainbots are either going to have huge robot modes, or they will turn into the most comically undersized trains, ever.
Siege Astrotrain turns into a 1:87 scale locomotive, he scales with the MPG bots. Thats the best you are gonna get. A deluxs Trainbot wouldn’t even turn into a train, there wouldn’t be enough mass and in order to be proportionate, because bullet trains are long and thin, the train would be no taller then Core Optimus in truck mode.