Newage Toys NA H50 Scott (Legends Scale G1 Hound) Color Prototype

bignick1693

I’m not trying to insult you in anyway. If anything I’m just trying to understand your preference. Because you usually say I don’t like Sunbow because of these reasons. I just assumed you like the whole toy experience. Like the toy, bio and tech specs. When it’s just the toy itself and it seems like your issue with the franchises story as a whole starts with Hasbro’s choices and not Sunbow. Though Sunbow definitely simplified the looks of the bots but the character of the bots themselves is mostly tied to Hasbro choices.

Again not insulting you or telling you the way you collect is wrong. There is no wrong way.

Oh, I know you weren’t being insulting— I actually thought your comment was amusing and just thought I’d be a smartass in reply. Sorry, I don’t convey connotation very well in text.

The problem— if one even considers it a “problem”— with the franchise story is that it simply does a poor job at adapting disparate elements of a toy line into a cohesive fiction. I only really blame Sunbow for popularizing those decisions— it’s easier to lump together the things I dislike about G1 under a collective name.

Hasbro was tasked with bringing together toys from Diaclone, Micro Change, and Mysterians lines (among others) into a weekly 20-minute Saturday-morning commercial. Those toys had different scales, styles, and intentions. The fiction that was created broke some very elementary physical laws, but it was a kids’ show designed to sell toys, so no one cared. Most kids certainly didn’t care. I did, however, and still do.

So, my preferences are only “toy” because I find the “toon” interpretation generally unappealing. My idea of a good Transformer design starts with a solid alt-mode and builds a robot from it— not the other way around. That means the Sunbow scaling chart is worthless to me. Bumblebee is what the VW Type 1 physically allows him to be. That is probably larger than what Hound’s military Jeep allows him to be— and that’s exactly how I want it.

Zentropy

I’m glad you’ve straightened me out on my Transformers preferences. Next time I’m undecided on an opinion I wish to share here, I’ll run it through you first in a PM so you can edit it for accuracy.

Seriously, I just think there were a lot of illogical work-arounds in the fiction that arise from the fact that no one really cared back when Transformers began— they were just trying to create a story good enough to sell toys, and now people just shrug and accept inconsistencies as lore. I’m not the type of person that accepts things “just because”.

And yes, I do generally prefer toy over toon, but usually that’s just the aesthetic. I like fiction, but I like it to have some rational basis and substance. I can’t completely discard logic just for the sake of entertainment. And my TF head canon will always take precedence over any official depiction.

I’m not trying to insult you in anyway. If anything I’m just trying to understand your preference. Because you usually say I don’t like Sunbow because of these reasons. I just assumed you like the whole toy experience. Like the toy, bio and tech specs. When it’s just the toy itself and it seems like your issue with the franchises story as a whole starts with Hasbro’s choices and not Sunbow. Though Sunbow definitely simplified the looks of the bots but the character of the bots themselves is mostly tied to Hasbro choices.

Again not insulting you or telling you the way you collect is wrong. There is no wrong way and I get liking the G1 toy look. There is just something the toy has that the toon doesn’t like a sense of realism.

Curium

I know Iron Factory, Magic Square, New Age, and G1, but I can't place the largest one.

MFT, I think

Hougangkid

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I know Iron Factory, Magic Square, New Age, and G1, but I can't place the largest one.

Time to reel it in. People have opinions, it happens. Move on.

Zentropy

I didn’t say it was wrong to see it that way— the franchise has obviously embraced the idea. I just don’t like it, and for very logical reasons.

But you always say I like it like it was with the toys. Where really you kinda don’t, you like it as the head canon you made as a kid.

Not saying that’s wrong but I don’t necessarily see it as a I prefer toy over toon when it comes to the lore of the character. You just like transforming toys.

Zentropy

Exactly. You get it!

The G1 toy Bumblebee and the other mini-bots were essentially what “legends” or “core” toys are today. They were made at a different (and deformed) scale, but rather than translating them into the scale of the other toys when making the cartoon, the artists simply kept them the same.

If alt mode scaling was consistent, Bumblebee would be bigger than Wheeljack and Hound. Gears and Huffer would be bigger than Trailbreaker, and Ironhide and Ratchet would be considerably smaller bots.

I realize that for many fans, the (unrealistically skewed) Sunbow size chart is the gospel. I haven’t liked it since the very beginning, because it never made any sense.

The Toy bio is the core reason why Bumblebee is said to be really small compared to all other Autobots. It’s in all G1 media Toy, Toon and Comic that Bee should be that small compared to everyone else. He might have been at the legends price point back then but that was his intended size for toy lore scale too. Sunbow just took inspiration from Bob Budiansky bio work for Hasbro that he made when he got the toys in hand.

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cmon show z!! release him!!

I don't mind the fake parts at all. For me it's bot character first, good proportions, good articulation, in relative botmode scale, sunbow accurate and then alt mode and altmode scale.

If fake parts, parts forming or whatever other 'cheats' are needed to achieve this, so be it. G1 always had parts forming so I don't mind that at all. The fake parts can be a bit meh, but in the end I display all figures in bot mode so I really want a good looking bot.

Pun-3X

It's a good suggestion, but there is a high probability I will NOT end up buying all the figures NA produces that has an X part. If it's a larger figure that's not priced as I'd like (and MS has a comparable version I'm already happy with), I wouldn't even bother. Also, and this is definitely a ME thing, the instant a figure has some major faux car parts on it, I'm out. So if, say, Sunstreaker were to come along and fake it MP-style, I wouldn't buy and just have no Sunstreaker in the collection. At which point I also wouldn't have the part he would come with.

So for me, it's just not a high probability of ever getting a full Autobot X to sell. This would be more for that person who got in a touch late, and just needs that one part from the first figure they never got. Not expecting a jump on that any time soon, but if it moves, awesome.

I don't like faux parts but I will accept them if the alternative is a compromised bot or alt mode. Sunstreaker just can't be done right without faux parts – you'd either end up with a huge chest in bot mode or a tiny roof and windows in alt mode. I agree with @Zentropy that I appreciate how the MP used the roof as his bot mode chest, just flipped around and I also like how MP-44 and MS-02 use Optimus' windows flipped around so they're only semi-faux. I really didn't like MP-52's fake chest, especially since Starscream doesn't really need it to look right (though even DS-01 faked parts of his chest cockpit but at least most of it was real).