Via Amazon.jp we can share a new set of stock images of the upcoming Takara Tomy Transformers MPG-02 Masterpiece Trainbot Getsuei.
These are big and clear images of Getsuei who is the second figure of the G1 Japan Trainbot team following Shouki. We have several shots in robot mode showing his poseability, extra parts (rails, gun and blasters) combiner Raiden leg mode and the realistic EF65-1000 Electric Locomotive which even has all the electric attachments on the roof. According to a recent Takara Tomy Transformers tweet, pre-orders for Getsuei will start on January 13th in a few hours. We may have additional information and images soon.
Update: Pre-orders are up via Takara Tomy Mall and Amazon Japan for 17600 Yen ($153.58 approximately). Expected for release in late September 2022.
See the new images after the jump and then click on the discussion link below and let us know what you think about the next Masterpiece MPG Trainbot.
jackisking
Think @Liampope estimate was 13 and some change. If Shouki is 3.5 and a leg is 7 in long, pretty plausible you could get the rest from Kaen and the head.
Bubblegunner
Accurate or not, some interesting images from one of the many discussion threads on China's TF tieba about Raiden's combined height.
Quite a nice mock up of the combined mode. I'd be happy if it turned out close to this.
One thing about MPG Raiden's torso I'm not a fan of is the backpack sitting high up and visible from the front. Kind of like Sunstreaker's backpack.
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David Hingtgen
Learn about bullet trains and pantographs from Thomas!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_WQwb-mP4ec
Bubblegunner
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David Hingtgen
I want to say it's a SD-style loco, very similar to Bandai's "B Shorty" toy trains, but not exactly that because they wouldn't use a competitor's toys. But I can't really find an equivalent Takara-Tomy line, nor an exact match from any company.
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HolyCulture
Jesus you guys. That’s not a transformer behind Getsuei in the pic. It’s not even a model DE10. It’s close but it’s not the right model train. Look at the EF65 to the left of Shouki. It’s tiny. The two robots are the only robots here ya dinks. Everything else is N gauge. Those little trains are half the size of the trainbots.
onslaught714
If this is really Kaen I don't understand what TT is doing here. They take the smallest train there, and…make it even smaller? Is there anyone here super knowledgeable about Japanese diesels that can confirm whether or not it's Kaen? He looks too short and stubby for it, though
Furyan
Alright I gotta jump in on this,first TT Masterpiece combiner and I want in plus it's just too neat. Cheapest joints to preorder these two? Links? Thanks!
David Hingtgen
12mm track (TT gauge) works very well for "pretty darn close in all aspects" HO-scale models of Cape-gauge equipment. But as above—-that's not at all what Tomy has ever done before AFAIK, and not very common in Japan regardless of manufacturer. (I think it's more common among Oceania modelers—-Aus/NZ have a good amount of Cape-gauge tracks)
Liampope
Pretty much just N and HO, which is why this is wierd. The most likely solution would have been HOj for the not-bullet trains – i.e. make those guys larger 1:80 scale and slightly fudge their wheels onto HO track. That seems the common model solution in Japan and would have had the added benefit here of making the bot and combined mode engineering simpler with the trains all closer in size.
But seems they might be going HOn3.5, i.e. keep them all to scale – 1:87 – and the not-bullet trains run on 12mm gauge track instead of HO 16.5mm. But that seems super uncommon. Will be interesting to try and accurately measure the gauge of Getsuei's track from the CAD and see if it's 12mm.
Onilink
I think we can solve the mistery just seeing what Tomica sells, right? (i can't understand Japanese on their webside, need help)
David Hingtgen
I do for a few, but generally 95% of my stuff runs, together. But there's plenty of people who buy a loco, put in on a shelf to display, and never ever run it, much less hooked up to others.
David Hingtgen
Most HOn is specifically HOn3, for 3ft, which is "the most common narrow gauge". But Japan would need/use HOn3.5, which exists, but is very rare.
HOj is purely a "body fudge scale", the wheels are rails are still to normal HO standards and gauge. It's *a* solution, but is still "mixing up proportions and things" and doesn't appear to be what Takara's going for.
HeroicC300
Thank you sir for more pics to satisfy my train-obsessed brain.
Kaen be a smol boi but I need to see his specific alt next to normal road vehicles now to appreciate how gargantuan these guys are
Sy-Rein
Looking into it, it seems there are a variety of standard scales to make it so that the 2 track gauges will work together or be scaled appropriately. In the real world bullet trains use a track gauge of 4’-8.5” while other trains use 3’-6”. In the model train world, there’s HO scale (1:87) with scaled 4’-8.5” track gauge, there’s HOn scale (1:87) with scaled 3’-6” track gauge and it looks like there’s a Japanese specific scale: HOj which is 1:80 scale and makes narrow gauge track match the bullet train track at 1:87 scale.
jackisking
Takara Tomy – Transformers Masterpiece MPG-02 TRAINBOT GETSUEI
Chosen Prime has Getsui up for $141 for people in the states
Liampope
Well thats the thing – if I understand correctly from @David Hingtgen and my own google-fu, this doesn't make sense for the target audience! Model train fans do have their bullet trains and regular trains running on the same track.
Liampope
Yeah so if that's true they're doing something totally different to what real model trains would do??? Makes no sense! Hmmmmmm. Weird.
I wonder if this narrower gauge track for Getsuei, if that's really what this is, is any real model gauge??
I'm generally one to be confident in observations made from CAD/prototypes, and these tracks being different is totally convincing, but part of me is 'I'll believe it when I see it' about this.
Hoffman
I guess it kinda makes sense given the audience they are going for. It looks like you can still connect all the track parts together, the rails just don't line up.
They may also be banking on train collectors just buying the trains they like and not the full set. Is that a thing that train collectors would do?
David Hingtgen
It kinda sorta looks that way? Seems they may be going for a "true to scale, static display". Fudging the couplers, and only the couplers, to allow them to connect in a line for display on a shelf as single train—-but they would be effectively fixed in place due to having various track widths, each one having to stay on its own bit of track.
At leash that's how it looks so far.
As for model trains in Japan—-it's the bullet trains that are "right", it's everything else that is fudged/adapted to work with them. (since there really is no Cape-gauge track at all for models)