Zobovor of Alt.Toys.Transformers has posted up an new list of entries into the Walmart computer system, revealing some interesting characters for this line.
Read on for the full list of names and information about these possible new releases:
I was poking around in the Walmart computer today and I noticed there were a number of additional listings attached to the Deluxe-class Netflix assortment. In addition to Chromia and Sideswipe and Hound and the rest, the following names were listed:
- TRA DELUXE BUMBLEBEE – EAN:5010993782178
- TRA DELUX QUINTESSON – EAN: 5010993777525
- TRA DELUXE WHEELJACK – EAN: 5010993782123
- TRA DELUXE IMPACTOR – EAN: 5010993782864
- TRA DELUX DEEP COVER – EAN: 5010993777501
- TRA DELUXE RED ALERT – EAN: 5010993782116
- TRA DELUXE BARRICADE – EAN: 5010993777495
- TRA DELUXE ELITA 1 – EAN:5010993782161
It’s worth mentioning that the Netflix Deluxes are at a different price point ($19.87) than the regular Siege/Earthrise Deluxes, and they have their own computer listing that’s not shared with the Siege and Earthrise toys, so some of these aren’t just listings for older Siege toys as one might first suppose.
As usual, take this with a grain of salt until we get an official confirmation. Prominent on this list is Deep Cover which some fans may remember as an E-Hobby exclusive blue and black redeco of G1 Sideswipe. It also seems that we are finally getting some new molds in this line, including a new Quintesson figure that would be the third mold following the Earthrise and Cyberverse toys.
Update: EAN codes added.
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imfallenangel
Saw him in stores at least 3 times, didn't bother as I'm good with the Siege one (no nostalgia about the walkman, though I love the cassettes or such mini/stored figures).
I contemplated buying them to resell and could have made money, but I just don't jive that way and not a fan of people that do that sort of thing.
But did help a fellow collector (form my local Facebook group) to get one of them.
Fenrys
No problem, it's definitely something that is easy to overlook since they're so small
jametron
Well crap! I ditched the Siege one so quickly after getting the NF one, I never noticed! Thanks for the DL.
Jeddostotle7
Do we have any sources anytime in the last decade that says the "different tooling getting past a contract" is a thing though? Because unless we have something newer than fifteen years ago for a contract with a convention company that was the one producing the exclusive tooling themselves, I think the invocation of that idea itself pertaining to modern contracts with retailers for mold exclusivity is unfounded conjecture with no basis in confirmed relevant fact.
Sunbow Prime
and Netflix Ravage has is colored differently to look like a tape
Fenrys
Ravage had a different head as well, Siege had closed mouth and Netflix had a snarling mouth
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jametron
Well, Laserbeak is very slightly different. His head is the Siege/Cybertronian version (with the visor), not the NF/Earth mode (with 2 separate eyes) version. Ravage however is exactly the same, as his mold didn’t change between Siege and NF.
Max Rawhide
They do? I didn't know that.
In that case we have a different head for SG Soundwave and also different parts for the cassettes. It's not proof, but perhaps this makes it more feasable that it was difference in tooling that enabled Hasbro to release SG Soundwave, and not a time limit on the exclusivity deal with Walmart.
marvel b
The Netflix cassettes also had different tooling compared to the ones used in SG, so maybe that also helped squeak through the exclusivity claim?
Max Rawhide
Agreed, which brings me back to my original post. A post that clarified that the release of the SG Soundwave cannot be seen as (absolute) proof that Hasbro has gotten the rights back to the Netflix mould. There are other options and we simply don't know.
Jeddostotle7
…Look, another, bigger problem with these attempts to try to fill out the big gaps in our knowledge and try to establish from what little we know what the deal may or may not be with retailer-exclusivity for tooling outside of the Walmart deals that I haven't mentioned until now but I think are actually more important are: because of the big gaps in our knowledge, and the very nature of toy releases, we can use basically any bits of data to massively extrapolate any picture we feel like, and any evidence to the contrary can be explained away by inventing whatever specifics one feels like; all this despite the fact a long wait before a reuse of a mold may very well likely not have anything to do with exclusivity anyway. The Siege Springer mold wasn't under any kind of exclusivity deal, yet it took 3 damn years before it was reused at all. Sometimes Hasbro just doesn't feel like reusing a mold for a certain period of time, and that makes it really hard to try to say anything for certain in good faith. The only currently active exclusivity deal we seem to have any kind of decent picture of is the one with Walmart, where a mold is probably exclusive to the retailer for 2 years, and then the mold can be used anywhere Hasbro wants. As far as I'm aware there's no actual evidence that "retooling to avoid mold exclusivity" is something that still happens, since the evidence that it was a thing at all was with a convention company 15 years ago, and that's a significant enough gap in time and type of company relation that we can't apply that to current situations without actual recent evidence. The reason they didn't use the the Walmart mold for Legacy Soundwave is most likely cuz that thing was revealed mid-April 2022 (less than two years after the initial release of Walmart Soundwave), intended for release a few months later (ignoring the fact Current Events messed up the timing on that somewhat), while Shattered Glass Soundwave got to use the Walmart mold cuz it was revealed nearly half a year later right at the end of September 2022 (a bit over two years after the initial release of Walmart Soundwave), for release even later in the year.
TL;DR: we need to stop wildly speculating about what exclusivity deals are with tooling for other retailers until we have literally any evidence specific to those retailers beyond merely the timing of the toy releases themselves, as that by itself doesn't mean anything and is only made meaningful with specific context.
Max Rawhide
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Hasbro stated:
– new moulding released through a retailer gives that retailer ownership for a certain amount of time
– not all contracts are the same enabling them to release some exclusive moulds much sooner than others
Speculation:
– the ER Ironhide mould was an exclusive they couldn't use, hence why Guard didn't come until almost two years later,
– Hasbro made clear to Amazon they wanted to use the ER Ratchet mould, thus that contract was only for a short time explaining why we got a repaint quickly,
– ER Dirge was again granted to Amazon for a long time,
– but with Ramjet they made clear they wanted to use this mould themselves, so we got Sandstorm and G2 Ramjet (but not the G1 Ramjet that was part of the exclusive set),
– Netflix Soundwave is a retool from Siege Soundwave: they can't/couldn't release the Netflix mould but they can release the Siege because of this difference in tooling. SG Soundwave is thanks to new headsculpt technically also different: it counts as a retool. Either the time limit for the netflix mould expired (but it was announced shortly after the Legacy version was released, so why not wait?) or the new tooling is enough to circumvent the exclusivity deal. This retooling to avoid a contract we've seen before in the past, most notoriously with the Botcon classic seekers set.
fartsniffer42
Why is a 3 year old thread of the front page?
Jeddostotle7
But again, it was somewhat less than two years, and again you're ignoring that months after the Amazon-exclusive Ironhide there was its retool the also-Amazon-exclusive ER Ratchet, released very shortly before the redeco into non-Amazon-exclusive SG Ratchet, when by your logic the Ratchet tooling (having originated at Amazon) would've also been Amazon-exclusive and so SG Ratchet shouldn't have been able to happen so soon.
Optimalprimal
Plus, and I have NO way of knowing if this is true, but it's possible that the exclusivity contract may dictate no other retailer but allow the manufacturer to sell at will. Some of my company's contracts have similar competition clauses.
TFfangeek
That is true. The two figures were released two years apart, and in the world of Transformers collecting that is a lengthy amount of time.
Max Rawhide
@TFfangeek @Fenrys & @Jeddostotle7 Right, forgot about Guard.
But as pointed out by the timeline, there's quite a bit of time between ER Ironhide and GenSel excl. DK-2 Guard.
Fenrys
DK-2 Guard says "hey dude, don't forget about me!!!"
Jeddostotle7
…You forget about the ER Galactic Odyssey Ratchet, that was also Amazon-exclusive and released before the SG redeco?
And yes, we have seen the ER Ironhide mold in its entirety redecoed again – as Generations Selects DK-2 Guard, a Fan Channel exclusive. Less than two years after either the initial Amazon Ironhide or the initial Amazon retool into Ratchet.
So basically, the timeline goes:
-mid-late 2020: initial retool of the Siege Ironhide mold into Earthrise Ironhide, Amazon exclusive
-late-late 2020: redeco with new head of Earthrise Ironhide into Earthrise Ratchet, also Amazon exclusive
-also late-late 2020: redeco of Earthrise Ratchet into SG Ratchet, not Amazon exclusive, within a month or two of the Amazon Ratchet
-early 2022: redeco of Earthrise Ironhide into GS DK-2 Guard, not an Amazon exclusive, and less than two years after the initial use
TFfangeek