Toyworld TW-FS01 (The Last Knight WWI Bulldog) Colored Prototype

New pics of Bulldog courtesy of Leo TW

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I just want to see if there's new Toyworld figures and I come into some toxic person complaining about Michael Bay for the billionth time

Why is this forum so toxic, man

ZapRowsdower

It's sound logic, don't get me wrong. I follow what you say.

The issue is how uneven the presentation is.   I just prefer things to have a certain theme or aesthetic uniformity (as MOST TF cartoons do). You can mention outliers, sure, but with BAy-verse? It feels like most of it is outliers. What about Skids and Mudflap? How did they add to the movies? You mention accent on G1 Ironhide, but it was nowhere as GRATING as Mudflaps and Skids.  

The "hair" idea is completely off the rails, imo. G1 did not have hair, because it was plainly stupid. And this is an 80s cartoon team deciding it would be too stupid in the 80s! That should tell you something about the Bay-verse liberties.

I just saw TMNT: OUt of the Shadows, and it reeks of Bay's influence. He has a muscle car tear @$$ out of a police lot just for effect, with a ton of police standing right there, as though they're cool with it.   Bay will do something for the cinematic shock and awe, not for the cohesive art quality or relevance to actual plot. It's all fireworks and explosions for no reason. This leaks into the robot designs he approves – he doesn't have a single artistic vision; he approves whatever looks cool to him at the time.

So no matter how much you want to argue that G1 or BW or whatever was "the same", it's simply not true. Bayverse stuff is more random and weird than any other TF program before it (save maybe Beast Machines, but that's a mess we'll not get into!  ). Because Bay is so off-the-cuff and is so terrible with plot/story, his robots suffer the same scatter-shot art direction, where it's a little hard to tell WHAT they're supposed to look like, versus what Bay decided that day to do with Character X.

So this has gone from a logical discussion about aesthetics to basically just Bay-bashing. In a thread based on Bay films.

Got it.

Also, as stated, G1 had hair. Not sure what rose colored, Nair inducing glasses you're wearing.

MnemonicSyntax

It's how he was in TLK. Why does Ironhide from the cartoon sound like he's from Texas?

The first movie stated they learned Earth's languages from the World Wide Web. It's a fairly logical assumption they found on the internet other instances and decided to mimic those, including aesthetics.

And uh… live-action Transformers are a mixed bag of facial appearances just like G1 is. Some have facial hair, some have noses, some have visors for eyes. So I don't see the problem here.

It's sound logic, don't get me wrong. I follow what you say.

The issue is how uneven the presentation is.   I just prefer things to have a certain theme or aesthetic uniformity (as MOST TF cartoons do). You can mention outliers, sure, but with BAy-verse? It feels like most of it is outliers. What about Skids and Mudflap? How did they add to the movies? You mention accent on G1 Ironhide, but it was nowhere as GRATING as Mudflaps and Skids.  

The "hair" idea is completely off the rails, imo. G1 did not have hair, because it was plainly stupid. And this is an 80s cartoon team deciding it would be too stupid in the 80s! That should tell you something about the Bay-verse liberties.

I just saw TMNT: OUt of the Shadows, and it reeks of Bay's influence. He has a muscle car tear @$$ out of a police lot just for effect, with a ton of police standing right there, as though they're cool with it.   Bay will do something for the cinematic shock and awe, not for the cohesive art quality or relevance to actual plot. It's all fireworks and explosions for no reason. This leaks into the robot designs he approves – he doesn't have a single artistic vision; he approves whatever looks cool to him at the time.

So no matter how much you want to argue that G1 or BW or whatever was "the same", it's simply not true. Bayverse stuff is more random and weird than any other TF program before it (save maybe Beast Machines, but that's a mess we'll not get into!  ). Because Bay is so off-the-cuff and is so terrible with plot/story, his robots suffer the same scatter-shot art direction, where it's a little hard to tell WHAT they're supposed to look like, versus what Bay decided that day to do with Character X.

artimus prime

You're both brave for taking the chance on this figure.

I was a little skeptical but I love this tank so when I saw the painting, just … wow

TheSuperion

Well, I can't believe it, but I just preordered Bulldog. That ShowZ price was too reasonable to resist. I just never thought that my first ever 3P figure would end up being Bayformers. I never thought I'd be collecting Bayformers period. All of this, thanks to a couple 5 dollar TLK deluxes at Ollies.

I could not resist, me too and this is my first 3P also

tonysandlin

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but I don't like the humanoid look for any of the transformers. Unless you were just speaking generally.

I was speaking in regard to my position as argued to Mindvvipe, who held the idea of "I am fine with it in other places but not here"
As I said, hating it universally is one thing, and hey, you have other head options if you like the design otherwise. But to say it's fine in the other mediums but not in this one particular one just doesn't work to me as an argument due to it being an element from basically the infancy of this franchise's design teams.

Dragga

It's relevant if you don't mind it in the other mediums but then only find reason to in one in particular. Bulldog is barely any different to me than examples of G1 characters with metal facial hair and accessories. It'd be one thing if it was disliking the trend across the board, but I find it pretty illogical to find it fine in so many other regards but not this one when others have done it just as much.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but I don't like the humanoid look for any of the transformers. Unless you were just speaking generally.

Dragga

I find that it's just a bit unfair to hold such standards when these elements have been there since G1, and Animated was one that pushed it to the farthest. But, you'll find plenty of justifications elsewhere. Bulldog's face, to me, is no worse than what someone like Alpha Trion or Wreck-Gar would look like in the real world, honestly.

Just because the elements have been there from the start doesn't mean you have to like them. I dislike most robot designs that are too human in any medium. I don't mind when they draw inspiration from human culture, but things like Bulldogs face bug me. For me, the first two movies incorporated human-like features without being to obvious and I think it was nicely balanced.

This guy has a real ABC Warriors vibe, like something Kevin O’Neill would have drawn in the 80s. Love it