Iron Warrior IW-05 Pioneer (Transformers Prime Optimus Prime) Color Prototype Images

Snaku

Btw, pretty sure this is the wrong thread for this figure. This thread is for the older Prime that released a few years back and fell apart as soon as you looked at him. NOCV started a new thread for the larger revised figures back in May when it was announced.

Yeah I just realized this is the pioneer thread

VVa

Bollocks. That thread doesn't seem to have been replied on since October.

It's a little more active now

Snaku

Btw, pretty sure this is the wrong thread for this figure. This thread is for the older Prime that released a few years back and fell apart as soon as you looked at him. NOCV started a new thread for the larger revised figures back in May when it was announced.

This is correct.  

Has it been confirmed whether he's coming with the Matrix? The one that came with the R.E.D. fig looks sick.
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Zoo

Well two things. I don't really prime as a sequel to the games. It was too loosely connected as it is, but Dark Spark and RID15 made them even worse in terms of keeping up cannon. RID 15's main "issue" was the tonal shift (and the characters left a lot to be desired). They wanted a more kiddie show, which is ok, but their mistake was connecting it to prime, since it's a relatively more adult show, with a different audience.

That's why it gets the nickname "Disaligned Discontinuity". Lol

Snaku

I agree on the Vehicons. In the first episode, Arcee was losing to two of them until Bumblebee showed up and then the two of them were able to get the upper hand but I still didn't get the impression it was a cakewalk. So it was established that they were a threat to be taken seriously. Pretty much from then on, however, Vehicons were dropping like flies.

I think you completely missed the point with Dreadwing, though. It wasn't so much that Megatron "chose" Starscream over him (even though he said something to the effect of "don't make me regret which of you I chose"). It was that Dreadwing was standing there ready to smoke Screamer and refused to stand down when Megatron told him to. If the roles had been reversed, Megatron would've just as quickly dropped Starscream instead. Hell, Megatron would kill Soundwave for that level of insubordination.

Also, something that never really comes across in any of the shows: while Starscream is a conniving little backstabber and a coward, he's also an incredibly competent warrior. There's a reason Megatron has him command his troops (makes him his second in command and then, when Shockwave arrives, keeps Starscream as his second in military matters despite Shockwave being second in others). Starscream is a coward when he's losing but he's fucking ruthless when he's got the upper hand (and downright conniving in finding ways to get the upper hand – just ask Arcee). Megatron keeps him because he's useful and because he knows he can keep Screamer's treachery in check.

I understood the point with Dreadwing. I still hate what happened. He could have just disarmed him. Not dis-Sparked him.

VVa

I felt the show taking itself too seriously is what bogged it down because there were never really any stakes. You'd think a character was about to die but they never do. Unless their voice actors became too expensive to continuously provide voices.
I also kinda dislike how dogshit expendable Vehicons are, because they look cool as hell. They're supposedly highly trained, as said by Megatron, but a whole squad of em can't take down a couple Autobots, unless plot demands it. I wish there were FEWER, so you'd be able to care about them if they died or not. They tried that with Dreadwing but they fucked that up too because they thought Megatron should value a treacherous turd over an incredibly loyal second-in-command.

I agree on the Vehicons. In the first episode, Arcee was losing to two of them until Bumblebee showed up and then the two of them were able to get the upper hand but I still didn't get the impression it was a cakewalk. So it was established that they were a threat to be taken seriously. Pretty much from then on, however, Vehicons were dropping like flies.

I think you completely missed the point with Dreadwing, though. It wasn't so much that Megatron "chose" Starscream over him (even though he said something to the effect of "don't make me regret which of you I chose"). It was that Dreadwing was standing there ready to smoke Screamer and refused to stand down when Megatron told him to. If the roles had been reversed, Megatron would've just as quickly dropped Starscream instead. Hell, Megatron would kill Soundwave for that level of insubordination.

Also, something that never really comes across in any of the shows: while Starscream is a conniving little backstabber and a coward, he's also an incredibly competent warrior. There's a reason Megatron has him command his troops (makes him his second in command and then, when Shockwave arrives, keeps Starscream as his second in military matters despite Shockwave being second in others). Starscream is a coward when he's losing but he's fucking ruthless when he's got the upper hand (and downright conniving in finding ways to get the upper hand – just ask Arcee). Megatron keeps him because he's useful and because he knows he can keep Screamer's treachery in check.

VVa

I don't understand the hate for RID15. If it's because it's a "bad sequel" to Prime then people would hate Prime for being a "bad sequel" to the WFC games.

It was partially how bad a sequel it was, but it was mostly that it was just flat out bad. Annoying characters, bad writing, and treated its audience (kids) like they’re stupid.

VVa

It sure returned to the Status Quo.

Eh, better that than whatever the hell Energon and RID15 were.

VVa

But he didn't have to outright murder him! He complains about losing his troops but decides to offline the only one who can go toe-to-toe with friggin Optimus.

Certainly added stakes when he got offed. Besides dread wing stopped listening to Megs, and on top of that had a conscience/morals, which made him unlikely to attack autobots. The dude straight up stole the forge and gave it away, he was a traitor by that point. Starscream being turned loyal, Megs made a call. As much as it sucks he was taken out it did add to the more serious tone.

VVa

I felt the show taking itself too seriously is what bogged it down because there were never really any stakes. You'd think a character was about to die but they never do. Unless their voice actors became too expensive to continuously provide voices.
I also kinda dislike how dogshit expendable Vehicons are, because they look cool as hell. They're supposedly highly trained, as said by Megatron, but a whole squad of em can't take down a couple Autobots, unless plot demands it. I wish there were FEWER, so you'd be able to care about them if they died or not. They tried that with Dreadwing but they fucked that up too because they thought Megatron should value a treacherous turd over an incredibly loyal second-in-command.

Megatron most likely chose starscream over dreadeing due to them changing how they act. Starscream became loyal out of necessity I’ve the course of the show, meanwhile his most loyal lieutenant had just ignored his repeated order, something Megatron doesn’t take lightly.