Member Wonkimus_Major of producer Don Murphy’s message board who attended the premier of Transformers Revenge of the Fallen in Tokyo Japan has posted his thoughts of the film. Of which he also reveals some major spoilers in the film including the roles of various characters.
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mbtion
good point. only other thing i can think of a special directors cut that may be the difference
mbtion
exactly, since mikaila already works at a bike shop. its seemed only natural that she rides arcee. furthermore are the sister even gonna be shown in bike mode? if so whos gonna ride? sounds like they dropped the ball on arcee big time. id rather she didnt be in the movie at all if their gonna fuck her up.
mbtion
yes thats just a terrible. and it makes it a bigger crime when you do that to a character that is so popular
mbtion
Revenge of the Fallen/Sith
so far it sounds like tf2 will be packed with too many characters in too short of time. i felt the same way about "revenge of the sith" too much goin on and we dont get good looks at things we wanna see. if yall can follow me?
eagc7
to bad my brother dosent want to see the movie at imax
BB Shockwave
TFA took the characters very seriously.
One example: Just name one other series where a Decepticon/Predacon leader instantly punishes betrayal (by death!) rather then just letting his treacherous subordinates go on plotting? Even BW Megs did let Tarantulas, Blackarachnia and Terrorsaur go on in their plots. And Animated Megs was as short-staffed as BW Megs, yet he knew keeping SS around would not be wise.
Or the 'triangle' between Sentinel, Optimus and Elita/BA? In which TF show did an Autobot(!) tell his technoorganic-turned friend that she should have died instead?
And I could go on…
BW only became 'mature' during season 2. I must say, when I watched S1, I could barely get to the end and there are episodes that still make me cringe (such as the "bean incident" or the " great maximal hunt"). S2 was ACE, S3 suffered from cut episodes and those idiotic cavemen children. I understand these are child shows, but even when I was 10 years old I hated such characters. I wonder who thinks people like these types of characters? (Wheelie, Wesley Crusher, Snarf, Scooter, etc…) Because I have not yet encountered anyone who liked them as a kid.
Prowl
and doesn't detract from the moment that was his death. Yeah I love Rattrap Dinobot Banter. The best friends that would NEVER admit it.
Scourgatron
And it's still funny as shit to this day.
nkelsch
It's called being a straight man in a comedy bit. Very much like Worf in Star Trek: TNG.
Dinobot Riding TM Rattrap like a go-kart is comic relief.
General Magnus
Beast Wars Dinobot, comic relifef? Sorry but I have to disagree with you on that.
Prowl
There's nothing to give up as no one is really debating whether or not it's a kid's show, rather whether one iteration exhibits more "mature" elements then the other.
rapid_fire
calling it a "mature" series doesn't take away the fact that your still watching a kids show
give it up
Prowl
Yeah Beast Machines never wavered from it's theme or style. I never lost respect for that Megs because I never saw him blow a fart…. Beast Wars also had, "The Low Road," which is funny IMO, but it's still a part of that cannon.
nkelsch
I would totally agree that BM is probably the most mature series. If someone would had said in his clever troll that BM was mature I would have agreed. BW is no more mature than any other TF series And GRAVITAS doesn't make something mature… And even season 3 when the GRAVITAS of Megatron trying to rewrite history they *STILL* had the Cheetor Gets a Boner for BA episodes and the Maximals adopt the cave babies.
No… BW was clever, and well-written but not actually an adult or mature series. Maybe because someone who likes it pretends he is mature he thinks things he likes is mature but that isn't the case.
And Realistic Damage? Really? They got shot with explosive rockets and flew back like they got hit by a giant boxing glove. There were many many many 'cartoony' kill shots in BW.
Now BM was a much more mature series at the core and had a much darker atmosphere.
Prowl
That really depends on your definition of Mature, and I'm not throwing that out as a way to suggest that you're wrong. In terms of themes and storytelling….Yes… Like I said, I love Beast Wars and the fact that season two ended with a time paradox in the potential veins of the new Star Trek movie is a testament to that. But even back then, certain things like Dinobot's head spinning round and round when hit, or Megatron losing his teeth, or Inferno's jets going out and him hovering in the sky like the Coyote in the Road Runner cartoon, made me cringe because it was thrown into said, "Mature storylines." And although I am a bigger fan of Beast Wars than even G1, the characters (particularly the bad guys) were handled with more respect in G1, and despite the serialized episodic nature of G1 (with no real continuity), the Decepticons were not bouncing off the walls or busting into Spongebob-style animations in the middle of a serious scene. In that Nature, even Animated was a tad bit more mature, despite having a little girl on a Pony as a human nemesis.
Heheh, it's ok because I'm kinda worried about reading too too much into this thread. I don't mind some spoilers, but I'm worried about some major ones showing up
ams
Yep, that's why I specified Season 3, when the writing quality went up and the goofy factor went down. And Beast Machines had few, if any, of those eye-rolling moments.
Meh, we're so off topic at this point. *shrug*
Superion33
We aren't comparing Transformers series to say a Shakesperean play, we are comparing them to each other. Please tell me a TF series we've had in the US that was more mature than BW.
Prowl
Megatron's head comes off, hits a rocky outcropping and he loses his teeth Bugs Bunny style in Beast Wars, and he takes a bath with a REAL rubber ducky. Albeit colorful and sporting some interesting cartoony characters at times, Megatron in Animated never got a second of goofy play in the show.
edit: Not a Beast Wars hater, by the way.. In fact, it is still my Favorite Transformers Show, but I wouldn't consider it THAT mature.
Superion33
Shhhhh, don't tell kelschy. He is on a mission!
Superion33
To me personally, it didn't have Kicker, it didn't have Professor Princess, it didn't have Bulkhead making squish toy noises.
The dialog was more mature. The sense of gravitas was there – especially when first discovering the discs. There were never those "team Rocket" moments. Decepticons retreating has been a constant theme in every single TF franchise. In fact, I think Beast Wars did the best as far as keeping the effects realistic. Due to it being CGI, I think science was more closely followed in the series. A hit to a jet-pack would cause damage. The robots were forced to stay in ALT mode due to the environment which added a completely new strategy to the series.