Thanks to TFW2005 member phillyfilmgirl for stopping by to let us know some further information from the plot of Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen. You can check out the details by reading on.
Well PhillyFilmGirl isn't associated to the production or to Hasbro itself, so her information doesn't need to be hints, or curtailed by contracts. And as I stated before, her info does fit nicely into tidbits we've uncovered before like the lecture scene.
Alice also fits Bay's Hardon for terminator stuff. Movie 1 had the T2 nod, now this one has the T3/Sarah Connor Chronicles type nod. And for some reason, it's got "White Rabbit" stuck in my head.
Oddly enough, the song similiarities to her potential as a 'pretender' are rather interesting. Wonder if it'll somehow be interwoven into virals or an ARG too.
One pill makes you larger And one pill makes you small And the ones that mother gives you Don't do anything at all Go ask Alice When she's ten feet tall (Alice in bot mode or combined to her partner?)
And if you go chasing rabbits And you know you're going to fall (Fighting an uphill battle, and chasing decepticons?) Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar Has given you the call Recall Alice When she was just small (Alice in human form/seperated from larger companion?)
When men on the chessboard Get up and tell you where to go (Military reference) And you've just had some kind of mushroom And your mind is moving slow Go ask Alice I think she'll know (If she really is a decepticon, she would know wouldn't she?)
When logic and proportion Have fallen sloppy dead (Do I have to explain this one?) And the White Knight is talking backwards (Sam seeing things again) And the Red Queen's "off with her head!" ( Arcee won't like her either? Or could that just be Autobots don't, cause of the red emblem, which fits BB having her spaid, err sprayed.) Remember what the doormouse said; "FEED YOUR HEAD" (Whatever gave sam the smarts and visions.)
Probably not intentional at all, but it does make you kinda wonder when the previous heavy abundance nods were in game references, and so far all I'm finding are music references with the other tidbits too. Might have to wait longer before any real obvious signs and clues start showing up. Maybe the first trailer will have a password again or something?
how about the beatles – i am the walrus?
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. (omg everyone is pretenders) See how they run like pigs from a gun (because like transformers have guns right), see how they fly. (omgstarscream!!!) I'm crying. (because megatron strangled me)
Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come. (hiding an allspark fragment waiting for sector 7 to come!!) Corporation tee-shirt, stupid bloody Tuesday.(sam wears corporate t-shirts on tuesdays too!) Man, you been a naughty boy(omg traitor starscream), you let your face grow long. (long face? proof that starscream is going to look like animated starscream in tf2 then!) I am the eggman (woo), they are the eggmen (woo) (omg everyone is pretenders), I am the walrus, Coo coo, kachoo. (this last sentance is obviously the secret password you said will be in the trailer!)
so yes i totally agree with you, by picking random songs out of the air we obviously work out the entire point by point plot of transformers 2!
In Escalation though, they make artificial humans.
As in, they grow doubles.
Wait I almost forgot they already made Holograms in the first movie… duh on me! So it's possible there could be a chick former on the Decepticon side making a hologram (Alice) to get to Sam. Much like Barricade and Blackout's holograms. This seems plausible.
I've read the treatment, and aside from Sam being in college and Mikaela being elswhere, I don't see any similarities. In that treatment the Matrix was the big bad power source, but it was located in Las Vegas, and nobody touched it. I suspect that this may be a slight take on that original idea (the 'box'=the Creation Matrix?), but after using the Allspark as a replacement for the Matrix in the first film I think it would be lame to make the main plot point about another Mcguffin.
I see no reason not to believe our lady friend from Philly. And lest we forget, almost all the information we got leaked about the first film turned out to be true in one way or another (true, the Bots had a lil more dialogue and Megs' head was changed). And count me in on the Alice=Pretender camp!
Sure is nice to have the 2005 Boards I know and love back. Speculate away, bitches!
impressive? how? two days into the announcement of a greenlit TF2 movie, there was a leak of the treatment on websites everywhere. Bay goes to his site, says "it's nothing but misinformation" and so far, everything we see filmed, and everything we hear, follows that treatment exactly.
Sure, if by "exactly" you mean, "in no way whatsoever". The only similarity I've seen is Sam goes to college, and that was pretty much a given.
I agree. He could have released information himself via blogs and stuff, but he isn't. And for all we know, no one on the inside has leaked anything. All the leaks seem to come from people sneaking on set and the like.
Until 2 weeks before the movie when they leak all the good scenes themselves in commercials, Letterman, Leno, Morning Show, etc.
The whole "no leaks" thing kind of bugs me considering how much they spoiled the first movie. I mean you're watching tv then all of a sudden BONECRUSHER TRANSFORMATION AND FIGHT. I guess you could close your eyes but by then you might as well watch
But let's GIVE credit to Bay for keeping a lid on movie 2 despite all the demand for spoilers and leaks.
I mean, it's VERY impressive.
I agree. He could have released information himself via blogs and stuff, but he isn't. And for all we know, no one on the inside has leaked anything. All the leaks seem to come from people sneaking on set and the like.
This is the statement from transformers.com that has made me think it is Megatron and not the Fallen:
"TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN began shooting on June 2nd in Bethlehem, PA. While details of the movie’s plot a closely-guarded secret, expect a key character from the first movie to make a dramatic comeback and attempt to settle a score."
From the description the only other bot it might be is Starscream but what score does he have to settle? I don't think it would be any of the other Cons as I don't think they would be considered key characters.
Starscream has a score to settle with the autobots. They shot at him, and destroyed the AllSpark…. he goes back to Cybertron, crowns himself leader, and brings a deathsquad of seekers to Earth to eradicate the Autobots… but unfortunately for him, Prime's SOS at the end of TF1 brings a battalion of 'bots ready to make earth their new home. All the chaos and the concentration of cybertronian life signatures attracts the attention of a certain bringer of chaos planet-eater….
Enter "Transformers 3: Attack of the Mass-Marketing Merchandisers"!!!!
This is the statement from transformers.com that has made me think it is Megatron and not the Fallen:
"TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN began shooting on June 2nd in Bethlehem, PA. While details of the movie’s plot a closely-guarded secret, expect a key character from the first movie to make a dramatic comeback and attempt to settle a score."
From the description the only other bot it might be is Starscream but what score does he have to settle? I don't think it would be any of the other Cons as I don't think they would be considered key characters.
impressive? how? two days into the announcement of a greenlit TF2 movie, there was a leak of the treatment on websites everywhere. Bay goes to his site, says "it's nothing but misinformation" and so far, everything we see filmed, and everything we hear, follows that treatment exactly.
Remember back in Feb 2006? the script leaked, and Bay said "Oh, the movie is 99% different. We thru that out months ago, and are doing something totally different!" Everyone breathed a sigh of relief, until the movie came out and it was word-for-word what the leaked script said, with the only changes being a dialog between Megs and Starscream.
Sorry, but by the time X-mas hits, I'm positive we'll know who all the bots are, what the bots are, and probably a script or two will have leaked by then.
Bay will squeal "misinformation," but it'll be truth. Why? Bay's as competent as George Bush.
Um… I don't see this as really following the treatment we saw too much. There's several key differences.
Megatron was "Destroyed in Fire" in the 1st Movie – The fallen is cloaked in flame – I did wonder if Megatron in the sequel is metaphorically or literally "The Fallen".
I'm reminded of how Beast Machines Megatron had his head messed with by the Spark of G1 Megatron in a short story Bob Skir wrote.
I was wondering if as Megatron was defeated by the Allspark and Sam was holding it they are linked and are sharing Allspark visions – basically Sam's seeing Megatron is his nightmares.
I still would wonder if "The Fallen" is just a metaphorical reference to the defeated Decepticons..especially Megatron.
Finally I'm a little disapointed they seem to have not decided to use Barricade again – I'd love to see him again even if only very briefly in a cameo.
I'd not want him to die as he was one of the most interesting things about the first movie to me.
But let's GIVE credit to Bay for keeping a lid on movie 2 despite all the demand for spoilers and leaks.
I mean, it's VERY impressive.
impressive? how? two days into the announcement of a greenlit TF2 movie, there was a leak of the treatment on websites everywhere. Bay goes to his site, says "it's nothing but misinformation" and so far, everything we see filmed, and everything we hear, follows that treatment exactly.
Remember back in Feb 2006? the script leaked, and Bay said "Oh, the movie is 99% different. We thru that out months ago, and are doing something totally different!" Everyone breathed a sigh of relief, until the movie came out and it was word-for-word what the leaked script said, with the only changes being a dialog between Megs and Starscream.
Sorry, but by the time X-mas hits, I'm positive we'll know who all the bots are, what the bots are, and probably a script or two will have leaked by then.
Bay will squeal "misinformation," but it'll be truth. Why? Bay's as competent as George Bush.
Yeah, I sense it, too. I mean, us fans are minding our own business, when suddenly this new chick shows up, saying "HAY GUYZ! I HAS FOOTAGE OF MOVIE #2! I GOT TO HANGZ WITH MR. BAY! AND WHAT I'M TELLING U IS NOT CRAP!"
Sorry, but that's what I'm feeling from all of this.
She didn't just suddenly show up. She's been providing videos for a few months now.
Exactly. You have nothing to prove that what you are saying is TRUE.
Then why not just leave the thread, then, Eric? If it's false, there's no point in continuing to read it. If you honestly won't believe anything unless Bay makes an official announcement about it, then I guess nothing will be confirmed for you until you watch the movie.
And really, if you only believe anything Bay releases through official announcements, then that's even more gullible than believing folks who were on set.
Eric
Let's not compare dysfunctional movie directors to political figures, please. That'd be technically breaking one of the Board's rules.
kjeevahh
how about the beatles – i am the walrus?
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. (omg everyone is pretenders)
See how they run like pigs from a gun (because like transformers have guns right), see how they fly. (omgstarscream!!!)
I'm crying. (because megatron strangled me)
Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come. (hiding an allspark fragment waiting for sector 7 to come!!)
Corporation tee-shirt, stupid bloody Tuesday.(sam wears corporate t-shirts on tuesdays too!)
Man, you been a naughty boy(omg traitor starscream), you let your face grow long. (long face? proof that starscream is going to look like animated starscream in tf2 then!)
I am the eggman (woo), they are the eggmen (woo) (omg everyone is pretenders), I am the walrus,
Coo coo, kachoo. (this last sentance is obviously the secret password you said will be in the trailer!)
so yes i totally agree with you, by picking random songs out of the air we obviously work out the entire point by point plot of transformers 2!
Zaraxion1021
Hmm, I dont seem to get it. . Oh well, i don't want to spoil myself much.
Optimus_Prowl
Wait I almost forgot they already made Holograms in the first movie… duh on me! So it's possible there could be a chick former on the Decepticon side making a hologram (Alice) to get to Sam. Much like Barricade and Blackout's holograms. This seems plausible.
Brodimus Prime
I've read the treatment, and aside from Sam being in college and Mikaela being elswhere, I don't see any similarities. In that treatment the Matrix was the big bad power source, but it was located in Las Vegas, and nobody touched it. I suspect that this may be a slight take on that original idea (the 'box'=the Creation Matrix?), but after using the Allspark as a replacement for the Matrix in the first film I think it would be lame to make the main plot point about another Mcguffin.
I see no reason not to believe our lady friend from Philly. And lest we forget, almost all the information we got leaked about the first film turned out to be true in one way or another (true, the Bots had a lil more dialogue and Megs' head was changed). And count me in on the Alice=Pretender camp!
Sure is nice to have the 2005 Boards I know and love back. Speculate away, bitches!
Shin Densetsu
Man Bonecrusher has a settle to score, that guy got his head cut off!
Cory Bauer
Sure, if by "exactly" you mean, "in no way whatsoever". The only similarity I've seen is Sam goes to college, and that was pretty much a given.
Ironhide546
Until 2 weeks before the movie when they leak all the good scenes themselves in commercials, Letterman, Leno, Morning Show, etc.
The whole "no leaks" thing kind of bugs me considering how much they spoiled the first movie. I mean you're watching tv then all of a sudden BONECRUSHER TRANSFORMATION AND FIGHT. I guess you could close your eyes but by then you might as well watch
GeewunGrimlock
This news is correct. My father works for the new Transformers movie. I already have it on dvd.
Apriorion
I agree. He could have released information himself via blogs and stuff, but he isn't. And for all we know, no one on the inside has leaked anything. All the leaks seem to come from people sneaking on set and the like.
webz
Starscream has a score to settle with the autobots. They shot at him, and destroyed the AllSpark…. he goes back to Cybertron, crowns himself leader, and brings a deathsquad of seekers to Earth to eradicate the Autobots… but unfortunately for him, Prime's SOS at the end of TF1 brings a battalion of 'bots ready to make earth their new home. All the chaos and the concentration of cybertronian life signatures attracts the attention of a certain bringer of chaos planet-eater….
Enter "Transformers 3: Attack of the Mass-Marketing Merchandisers"!!!!
Starkenator
This is the statement from transformers.com that has made me think it is Megatron and not the Fallen:
"TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN began shooting on June 2nd in Bethlehem, PA. While details of the movie’s plot a closely-guarded secret, expect a key character from the first movie to make a dramatic comeback and attempt to settle a score."
From the description the only other bot it might be is Starscream but what score does he have to settle? I don't think it would be any of the other Cons as I don't think they would be considered key characters.
Transformers News – TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN
General Tekno
Um… I don't see this as really following the treatment we saw too much. There's several key differences.
RedAlert Rescue
Megatron was "Destroyed in Fire" in the 1st Movie – The fallen is cloaked in flame – I did wonder if Megatron in the sequel is metaphorically or literally "The Fallen".
I'm reminded of how Beast Machines Megatron had his head messed with by the Spark of G1 Megatron in a short story Bob Skir wrote.
I was wondering if as Megatron was defeated by the Allspark and Sam was holding it they are linked and are sharing Allspark visions – basically Sam's seeing Megatron is his nightmares.
I still would wonder if "The Fallen" is just a metaphorical reference to the defeated Decepticons..especially Megatron.
Finally I'm a little disapointed they seem to have not decided to use Barricade again – I'd love to see him again even if only very briefly in a cameo.
I'd not want him to die as he was one of the most interesting things about the first movie to me.
webz
impressive? how? two days into the announcement of a greenlit TF2 movie, there was a leak of the treatment on websites everywhere. Bay goes to his site, says "it's nothing but misinformation" and so far, everything we see filmed, and everything we hear, follows that treatment exactly.
Remember back in Feb 2006? the script leaked, and Bay said "Oh, the movie is 99% different. We thru that out months ago, and are doing something totally different!" Everyone breathed a sigh of relief, until the movie came out and it was word-for-word what the leaked script said, with the only changes being a dialog between Megs and Starscream.
Sorry, but by the time X-mas hits, I'm positive we'll know who all the bots are, what the bots are, and probably a script or two will have leaked by then.
Bay will squeal "misinformation," but it'll be truth. Why? Bay's as competent as George Bush.
ILoveDinobot
Man I want to see the filming!
PRETENDA!
Shin Densetsu
phillyfilmgirl ftw. FTW.
RedAlert Rescue
I wonder if some of those scenes are visions rather than actual things happening to Sam.
It's pretty obvious who and what Alice is – doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
PanadynePowered
If any or all of this info is true, this movie will make me want to vomit just like the last one. Thank God I've got Transformers Animated
Lennox
She didn't just suddenly show up. She's been providing videos for a few months now.
Then why not just leave the thread, then, Eric? If it's false, there's no point in continuing to read it. If you honestly won't believe anything unless Bay makes an official announcement about it, then I guess nothing will be confirmed for you until you watch the movie.
And really, if you only believe anything Bay releases through official announcements, then that's even more gullible than believing folks who were on set.